Here's an excerpt from a phone interview I did with Christine Whipp in 2003. Christine has been active for many years in the British media as a voice for donor offspring.
1. Somewhere Else With Other People
Me: How old were you when you found out?
CW: Forty-one. I was already a mother and a grandmother by that time, myself.
Me: Who told you?
CW: My mother told me in a letter.
Me: Was it a surprise?
CW: No, not for me.
Me: Really? Why?
CW: I’d known there was something wrong. I knew there was something I hadn’t been told. By that time I had worked out that the man whose name was on my birth certificate couldn’t possibly have been my father.
Me: Why was that?
CW: He was fifteen years older than my mother. He was a diabetic and he’d had mumps when he was a teenager, when he was thirteen, so it worked out that he was probably impotent and infertile. Plus, I didn’t look anything like him. And I’d always felt that I just didn’t belong where I found myself to be. I always felt I should have been somewhere else with other people.
Me: Did you feel more comfortable with your mother?
CW: No, I didn’t get on well with my mother. We didn’t have a very good relationship at all, ever. I had a very strange relationship with her. My original social father died when I was six. My mother later remarried when I was nine, and had another baby. But I had it worked out. I knew that something was wrong and my mother had mentioned that there was a secret.
Me: At what point did she mention that?
CW: When I was in my late-thirties. She suddenly said there’s something about your past that you don’t know.
Me: What was that conversation like?
CW: I said to her at the time what is it that you’re not telling me? And, I mean, you can take a horse to water but you can’t make it drink so I knew that if my mother didn’t wish to tell me, she wouldn’t tell me and if I’d pressed the point she might simply tell me something else that wasn’t true simply to get me off her back. I knew I had to bide my time and wait for the right moment to be told the truth. I knew there was something. Important. Something big. As I said, by the time I did find out I had worked out roughly what it was. But I wasn’t quite on the right track. I realized that Wilfred couldn’t be my father, but I didn’t know who was. I also knew my mother wasn’t the sort of person to have an affair. So I thought, well, she couldn’t have had an affair and in the end I had kind of reasoned that one way that I could have been born was that she had been raped and that they decided to keep me. And I kind of thought that explained my mother’s dislike of sex and her dislike of me. That’s how I rationalized it in my own mind. When I fount out the actual truth, in a way it was a slightly better scenario that the one that I imagined.
Me: How long had you been living with that story that your mother had been raped?
CW: I suppose probably about five years. I mean, I knew I hadn’t been adopted because I’d lived in a small town and my birth and the stories surrounding it were…everyone talked about it. So I knew my mother had given birth to me. So I knew I hadn’t been adopted. I mean, I had a picture of me with the midwife and I knew the midwife so that didn’t really come into it. But I knew there was something not right. I applied for my full birth certificate anyway just to look at it and see if there was anything on it and although it’s supposedly a legal and binding document that tells the truth, I still said to myself, This isn’t true! I just knew.
Me: Wow. So your existence was basically corroborated by other people in the community?
CW: Absolutely. Yes. Everyone knew my mother had been pregnant. I was definitely her kiddie.
Me: And you thought that…
CW: Some of the people in my community perhaps had guessed. People are quite astute, really, and they knew that my mother and her husband had been married for five whole years without having any babies. They knew he was an older man and they knew he was sick. I think it probably crossed their mind that maybe I wasn’t quite as kosher as I could have been.
Me: So they didn’t necessarily know your true circumstances?
CW: Oh no. No. The family doctor did. And possibly other parents who had gone to that same family doctor and who had themselves had infertility problems…because I think there were quite a number of donor offspring in my community.
Me: What makes you say that?
CW: Back in the fifties there weren’t that many people recommending donor insemination. It wasn’t a common practice.
Me: Right.
CW: And particularly not in the West Country and particularly not amongst ordinary rural poor people. My family doctor clearly knew about it, believed in it, thought it was a good thing. Through research, I’ve discovered that he was at medical school at the same time as Margaret Jackson, my mother’s gynecologist. I also know that she was a personal friend of Jackson’s husband, who was himself a local doctor…they were both in the Army Medical Corps. together and they both served on some G.M.C. medical committee together in London. So he knew them. He knew these people and, clearly, he was of a like mind to them that donor insemination was a good thing. He must have sent other women in the community – besides my mother – to this gynecologist for treatment. So I think it’s quite likely that there are a number of Jackson offspring in my local community and I must have gone to school with them and mixed with them and known them.
Me: Is this something you’ve ever looked into further?
CW: Well, I have a kind of hypothetical list in my mind of people that I went to school with who could be like me. But I can’t go and approach them and say, Hey, guess what I think! That would be so cruel. I can’t go and say to other people, I think you’re a donor offspring. I don’t have the right to blunder into someone’s life and give them that enormous burden. By the time I came to know the truth, it was a belief to me. But if you go and tell someone who’s never guessed that they’re a donor offspring and they’re not ready to know that…I think it would be exceedingly cruel. I don’t think it’s the right thing to do.
I have two boy cousins – my mother’s sister’s children – and I believe that she too went to Margaret Jackson. I believe that my cousins are probably both donor offspring, and the older cousin I think could possibly come from the same donor as me. In fact, that would make him my half-brother. So I haven’t spoken to him in twenty-five years and I’m not planning to go and find him now and tell him. I don’t think I have the right to blunder into his life and give him that burden. Because it is a burden, isn’t it, to be a donor offspring and to know and to have to work your way through feelings that come with it.
Me: Hm, yes.
CW: To suddenly realize that you’ve had parents that have lied to you all your life and that somewhere out there you have a whole other family that you’re likely never to meet, that you’re legally barred from knowing about. I mean, you suddenly discover that you’re actually a second-class citizen. I mean, in this country, donor offspring are the only group of people that don’t have a legal right to their own personal identity.
Me: The only group?
CW: The only group, because in this country all our adoptees have that right and we are the only group that is legislated against. We’re discriminated against and that’s wrong.
Me: Is there much of a DI community that you’re in touch with in the U.K.?
CW: No.
Me: Have you made attempts to find people or is that something that you’ve been interested in?
CW: One of the first things I did was go to the newspaper in hope of finding people like myself, but I only had responses from other people in the media who were interested in the subject, or from researchers. But donor offspring didn’t want to come forward and meet with me.
Amongst the Geraniums
Me: When you’re on television what kind of response do you get?
CW: Sometimes you have none whatsoever. It generally spawns the phone ringing all day with other journalists wanting to feature me in magazines and whatever.
Me: And you said you get laughed at?
CW: Well, for instance, in a documentary I was shown going to the building Margaret Jackson used as her private clinic. She had consulting rooms in what appeared to be an ordinary suburban house on the edge of Exeter. And I went there with a camera crew to look at this house because…I wanted to know where my mother had gone to have me. Where did this all happen? I wanted to see. But one of the reviewers of the television journal poked fun at me and said this sad woman wanting to go and look at the house where it all happened, what’s the point of that?
Me: Good God!
CW: But, if she doesn’t get it, never mind, that’s her sad loss, that she doesn’t understand why I would want to go and do that. It’s the only place my mother and my donor both went. They didn’t go together but they were probably there on the same day.
Me: Right.
CW: He had to go and deliver his fresh specimen, which he probably left in the conservatory in a brown paper bag in amongst the geraniums because that was the procedure. The donors used to go in the side door and leave it in the conservatory amongst the geranium plants.
Me: How does that make you feel?
CW: [Laughs] A bit of a freak.
Me: You feel like a freak?
CW: Absulutely!
Me: Why?
CW: My parents never met! Is that not weird?
Me: I’m in the same circumstance. I know.
CW: Well, I know. So that is weird, isn’t it?
Me: It’s different, yes.
CW: There was no courtship, no love, no lust, not a moment of passion, nothing. Two entirely separate human beings who never met.
Me: How has that played out in your imagination? What does that mean to you?
CW: Well, in a way it means I’m not actually human because human beings are classified by the various things that they do. There are people who walk upright, they eat food, they reproduce sexually. Well, I wasn’t created through sexual reproduction. I had a syringe involved in my birth. Mine was the…the divine conception.
Me: If you don’t feel human, what do you feel like?
CW: Slightly detached from the rest of the world.
An Entirely Different Sort of Person
Me: Do you still speak to your mother?
CW: She died a couple years ago. No, I didn’t speak to her after she told me the truth. I had to bargain with her to get her to tell me. I wanted to know the secret and she wouldn’t tell me. She said she would leave me a letter when she dies explaining everything. When it was her 70th birthday I wrote to her, I wrote her a letter and said, Please, just tell me. I know there is a big secret. I promise I will never bother you again. And that was far too appealing for her so she knew she could get rid of me forever just by telling me the truth…And I never did bother her again. I went right out of her life and I made no further contact with her.
Me: And that was the last time you spoke to each other?
CW: Yes.
Me: Do you feel that the distance between you and your mother was caused by the donor insemination?
CW: Yes. From Day One our relationship was blighted by the donor insemination. She was mad as a hatter when she had this done. She was obsessed with having a baby. And people who are obsessed are not mentally well. And she had this absurd tunnel vision of wanting a baby and I wasn’t the perfect baby she had imagined, I wasn’t the one she wanted. She had to do this disgusting thing to get me, very humiliating…to have to go and have your legs up in stirrups and be poked about. She had the baby of a stranger. She was always afraid that someone would find out. You can’t have a normal relationship with someone when you’ve created a baby that way, and she never had a normal relationship with me…it didn’t improve, of course, when I was able to have children with such great ease. She was jealous of that.
Me: Right, further distancing…
CW: Yes, further distancing. I am not like my mother. I am not like her family. I have to be like my donor, whoever he is. And I know my mother and my donor would not have liked one another.
Me: Why do you say that?
CW: They would not have met in real life.
Me: Why do you say that?
CW: My mother was a factory girl. She left school at fourteen. She had no real education. She hardly went to school. She mostly stayed home and helped look after he mother and the younger brothers and sisters. She wasn’t interested in the kinds of things my donor would have been interested in. Margaret Jackson was a eugenicist. My donor would have been an entirely different sort of person than my mother. He would have been the kind of man that wouldn’t have spoken to her on the street.
In the Footsteps of Marie Stopes
Me: What are your feelings about Margaret Jackson?
CW: She was an outrageous woman. Outrageous! She was a pioneer and she, in the 1920s, when there weren’t even very many woman doctors, she became a gynecologist and she followed in the footsteps of Marie Stopes, who was celebrated for her work in contraception…she was one of the very early contraceptionists….
Me: Uh-huh.
CH: Jackson held clinics offering contraception, which was very novel, very avant garde; it was on the cutting edge of what was acceptable in British society. And she did this rather quietly in the local eye hospital. She clearly knew the head of the eye hospital through her medical contacts, and he gave her a broom cupboard and a desk and she held consultations in this corridor in a broom cupboard.
Me: Unbelievable!
CW: So on Thursdays, which was market day in Exeter, people would come from far and wide into the city and she wanted to attract farmer’s wives because she was concerned that a lot of farmers had young wives in their twenties who had six, seven, eight small children and she didn’t like to see them being worn down with the drudgery of having baby after baby. She wanted to help them do something about it. And she did. She developed her own varieties of contraception. She developed an I.U.D.
Me: What year was this?
CW: During the ‘30s she encouraged women to use a very early I.U.D….She’s famous for her contraceptive work and setting up family planning clinics but she’s not well known for D.I., you see, because it was a secret thing…she started doing DI in the ‘40s when the Luftwaffe were dropping bombs on Exeter, at the start of the war. Exeter was being bombed night and day, all the beautiful medieval buildings were being razed to the ground and people didn’t know if they were going to have a roof over their heads at night and Jackson thought, Well, let’s make some babies, that’s a good idea, we all need babies.
Me: Unbelievable.
CW: I can’t imagine what was in her mind at the time. Was it a good time to start making fake babies? But anyway, that’s when it started: 1940. She continued right up until 1983. She didn’t want to retire. She more or less had to be pulled away from her microscope. She was a work-a-holic and her love in life was helping women have babies.
Me: You seem a bit baffled by her motivations.
CW: Yes. Oh, absolutely. I think donor insemination is inappropriate. I’m against it completely in any way, shape or form. I just find the idea of her using her own family members as donors, I just find that so…I think she was just so totally detached form her emotions. Maybe to her, conception is just such a clinical thing. I don’t know.
Me: So you think she…
CW: …disregarded the importance of family, the importance of blood relationships. To me, that is something quite fundamental.
The Power of Wanting to Know
Me: What is your message when you go before the media?
CW: My original message when I go before the media is openness.
Me: I see.
CW: My message is that we all have a right to know who we are and that legislation should be changed. DI parents should be open and honest with their children and not lie to them because of media dysfunction. I don’t openly declare war on DI.
Me: Why?
CW: Because I would be shot down [laughter]. There would be open season on Christine if I said that too loudly. But I do try and make it clear that my underlying personal view of it is that I would not in any way recommend it and I don’t believe that it’s morally ethical.
Me: Do you talk about that with the media?
CW: That’s not something the media wants to latch onto. Their main interest is donor non-anonymity. That tends to be the thing. That’s the one subject which is quite big in the media, and the other thing is the openness issue in telling children and being honest with them.
Me: How is your message of openness received by the media?
CW: The media are absolutely fascinated and they tend to be very much on my side. We’ve had this openness with adoption for twenty-five, thirty years now and people do believe that we do need to know for medical reasons and just purely for peace of mind. So on the whole, the message is very much appreciated by almost everyone except those in the infertility industry and those who are infertile and have used it.
Me: And I understand…
CW:…the law is actually getting closer to being changed. There has been a lot of public feedback for that and people who are not involved in infertility also agree that, yes, all children should be told the truth. It’s not right to pretend that there’s somebody else. There should be openness. You shouldn’t allow this family dysfunction to happen.
Me: And the people who oppose you are, like you said, members of the industry itself?
CW: Yes, mainly. Doctors, people who are infertile and want to use assisted reproduction with donor gametes. They are the most strongly opposed to anything I say.
Me: Because…
CW: I mean, it was very difficult when I came out – and I always say came out in the way that gays come out. I came out. I was received by hostility by the donor conception network because their ethos at the time was that they were a group of people who told their children right from age three, four, five that they were donor conceived. And their idea was that once you had told them and you made it part of their normal life, they would grow up happy and well balanced, accepting that as the norm and they would never want to know who the donor was. I don’t know why they thought that. But apparently because I said, well, yeah, fine, that I do want to know who my donor is, that I was denounced on British radio as, Christine was just terribly traumatized and very old, but our children won’t want to know who their donor is. They’ve had to eat their words because five years along they had to issue a statement saying they now believe that donors shouldn’t be anonymous, that they think it would be better in the future if people did have the right to know who their donors were. That’s because some of their own children are now reaching their teenage years and have started asking questions and saying I would like to know who my donor is. I think they were terribly afraid that their children would hear what Christine was saying and that I would be a bad influence on them. But they were just underestimating their own children, I’m afraid. They were underestimating the power of wanting to know.
Me: Do you feel somehow responsi…
CW: No, not at all.
Love Is Not Enough
Me: Is there a scenario that you can imagine where women donating eggs, for instance, could be a positive scenario?
CW: Well, I think women have opened themselves to severe danger because donating eggs carries such a huge medical risk. The drugs that you have to take for ovarian stimulation can cause problems, could even cause ovarian cancer in the future. You have to undergo a full anesthetic to have egg retrieval done, which puts the woman in danger. Why on earth go through a medical procedure that is of no benefit to you but puts you in danger? And what right do the medical profession have to offer a woman the chance to do that? I think that’s ethically wrong, don’t you?
Me: I’m not sure yet, Christine.
CW: You’re not sure, but I’m pretty sure. I’m also very concerned about how her own children are going to feel about the fact that mummy gave their brothers and sisters away. Because that’s what she’s doing. Okay, it may only be eggs now, but we know what those eggs are used for. And she’s giving them away to complete strangers over whom she has no control. In this country people are not vetted for their suitability to be parents to donor gamete children. But in this country we have a very, very secure vetting procedure for people who want to adopt babies.
Me: So, there’s no kind of criteria one has to meet to…
CW: None whatsoever.
Me: Interesting.
CW: I think that’s terribly wrong.
Me: And what would you do…
CW: The criteria here is that if people really want a baby and go to that length to have one and are prepared to have I.V.F. to have one, the baby will be so wanted it will be loved unconditionally.
Me: Right.
CW: I’m sorry, love is not enough and wanting something is not enough. I want a Ferrari but that doesn’t make me a good driver.
Me: [Laughs]
CW: I don’t even drive!
That’s Not A Father
Me: What’s your feeling about men donating semen? Is that something that could potentially be beneficial? Is it just?
CW: No.
Me: No?
CW: Why would any child want to discover his father is a man he is going to be deprived of having contact with? I’m just not happy with this idea that it’s okay for men to donate sperm and then when the kid’s eighteen he or she is magically allowed to have a list of their father’s finest attributes and may or may not be able to meet him. Those first eighteen years are the most important, formative eighteen years of anyone’s life. That’s when you need the man who is your biological father, not when you’re eighteen. What is the good of saying to a kid, here, this is your father: He was six foot two, he played baseball, he liked dogs, he had brown hair, blue eyes. That’s not a father. That’s a piece of paper. And it’s not just your father you lose through donor insemination. You lose your whole paternal family. His parents, your grandparents, all the accumulated knowledge and wisdom which they should be able to pass on to you. And you only get that through a relationship. You only get that through living with them. They just lose so much. It just mind-boggles me. I just can’t express myself clearly on how strongly I feel that is wrong.
Me: I think you’re expressing yourself quite clearly. But yet you don’t feel right in advocating this publicly?
CW: Publicly saying that? I would be shot [Laughs]. I’m working on it. I’m gradually getting around to saying it publicly. But you have to be careful what you say. I mean, if Bill Cordray started saying that he’d no longer be invited to the seminars because most of them are run by people in the fertility industry or with an interest in fertility. He doesn’t get invited to the Infertility Network to stand up and say, I think what you’ve done is wrong.
They Have to Think Ahead
Me: Do you feel that progress is being made in terms of anonymity laws?
CW: It has in the UK, yes. We’ve had this donor consultation process and the majority of respondents to that were in favor of donors not being anonymous. But the government doesn’t want to do that yet, for some reason so they’ve stalled which is quite outrageous.
Me: This is recent?
CW: This is just recently, yeah. So we’re waiting to see how that goes when that all comes up again.
Me: It seems like the reasoning for this is that they’re afraid that no more donors will come forward.
CW: Yes.
Me: What do you think about that?
CW: Well, I’m not going to cry if no more donors come forward.
Me: Do you think it’s an accurate expectation?
CW: I think there will probably be a huge drop in donor numbers. I think that people who have been coerced into being donors have done so without really understanding what they’ve done, and they’ve been able to get away with it. But I think once they realize that they won’t be anonymous and they have to think ahead and think in terms of giving away semen as actually giving away real babies that will turn into real live people, then I think they will think more clearly. And when they realize that they may suddenly one day have a young adult walk into their lives and say, Hey, you and me, we’re the same. These donors are going to have to think, well, you know, maybe I’ll have a family of my own and I don’t want this cuckoo in the nest suddenly arriving. It’s not going to be the easiest situation, is it, when we suddenly have people turning up finding their donors, trying to squeeze themselves into the donor’s life? It may not be convenient for him. Life’s complicated enough without adding that to it, isn’t it? Well, you have to be realistic about what these donor reunions are going to be like. They’re not all going to be easy.
Me: Absolutely. And I think it sort of depends on what the child’s expectations are of that person.
CW: Yes. I think we’re all going to be very disappointed, any of us that do find our donors. And let’s face it. None of us actually want to have this extra burden of being a donor offspring and all the things that we have to think about.
Me: It sounds like you deal with this on a fairly regular basis.
CW: Yes I do, actually. More so than some.
I Should Not Be Here
Me: Okay, so, you don’t think donor insemination is a good idea. It’s kind of a mistake. Do you feel like you’re not a very good idea?
CW: Oh, yes, absolutely.
Me: But how do you…?
CW: I should not be here.
Me: But how do you…Surely, you must have worked that out somehow? I mean, you haven’t done away with yourself.
CW: Yeah, I haven’t. No. I mean, saying that I should not have been born doesn’t mean that I’m some kind of manic-depressive. I’m here. I have to deal with it. But I would not have chosen to have been born in the way that I was born. I would not have chosen to have lost my father at an early age. I would not have chosen the situation I was in.
Me: Mm-hm. But do you…
CW: I just wanted to be an ordinary person. I wish I was just an ordinary person like everybody else.
Me: Isn’t it possible that you are fairly ordinary?
CW: I am, I try to be [laughs].
Bought and Paid For
Me: Would you be interested in seeing an end to donor insemination?
CW: Yeah.
Me: Would you…
CW: In fifty years time, we’re going to look back and say donor insemination was an abomination. What an uncivilized country we were. We’re going to look at donor insemination in the same way we now look at slavery.
Me: Uh-huh.
CW: Because that is actually what donor insemination is, it’s the enslavement of people. I was bought and paid for, just human flesh bought and paid for like a slave. And I was enslaved to my mother. I had to do her bidding. She owned me and controlled me. I was a commodity.
Me: Mm-hm.
CW: We’re enslaving people for the benefit of others, for other people’s reproductive vanity.
Me: What about reproductive vanity? What causes that? What do you think obsessed your mother so much that she felt like she had to have a child at any cost?
CW: All her friends had one.
Me: The status symbol of the family?
CW: Yeah. To fit in.
Me: What about the biological need of having a child?
CW: We’re always hearing about these biological clocks ticking and, you know, the middle-aged women with their biological clock ticking. I don’t know. I don’t know if there is such a thing. It would be selfish to create a baby just because I want something to do with my life and it would be nice and I would enjoy it. That’s no reason to have children. They’re supposed to be the product of a normal sexual relationship. They’re not supposed to be planned.